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Quote:The Laser Studio(Företag) wrote: Har ju varit en del anföranden från ett visst håll här på forumet där man refererat till “en av världens största tillverkare” som det i sig skulle borga för trovärdighet.
Går man ut på hemsidan på denna “stora” tillverkare matas man med fakta och diagram.
Uppgifter som jag väl känner igen från argumentationen här på forumet.
Frågan är om man faktiskt har mage att påstå vadsomhelst och sedan komma undan med det?
Tja, i exemplet nedan gjorde skojarna det inte i allafall..
http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/viewthread.cfm?f=1&t=22065
Då får man väl dessutom kontra med Lazerfish´s inlägg om sina egna respektive Konftecs produktioner. Han har tydligen även MÄT och efterforskat på egen hand. Inte bara “chansat” som ni verkar ha gjort. Ska bli intressant att se hur ni kommenterar detta och nu väljer att hoppa på “honom” istället
Intressant att han skriver så där positivt om en konkurrent. Han har vuxit i mina ögon och verkar dessutom väldigt kunnig. Han har förmodligen följt utvecklingen och sedan gjort egna efterforskningar och kommit till samma slutsatser som Konftec. Kul att några till verkar vilja utvecklas och inte bara “står still” på samma nivå. Sedan så borde han givetvis (och gör förmodligen i andra inlägg) påtala sina egna produkter mera än en konkurrents, men här är han iaf någorlunda rättvis.NÅ ???? Kom igen nu…vad har ni för smaskit om Lazerfish bristande kunskaper och påståenden om mätresultat och liknande nu då ? Har ni möjligen några egna resultat
att visa upp som bevisar att båda Lazerfish och Konftec har fel ??

Jag blir till och med duktigt imponerad om hans information om att man BÖR använda laser + minox och eventuellt även finasterid och att han drar slutsatsen att så har skett på de bilderna han länkade till (som tillhörde vår gamla hemsida). Han har delvis rätt, det är laser + minox men inte en enda av våra före & efterbilder innehåller kunder som dessutom använt finasterid…tyvärr…då hade resultaten förmodligen blivit ännu bättre !
Nu har vi “två” lasertillverkare, olika läkare och forskare med studier PLUS våra bilder…vad mer behövs ? Kommer era studier, era undersökningar, era mätresultat och era egna bilder snart ? Även om de skulle komma så väger de inte lika tungt…om de inte godkäns och publiceras på liknande ställen som PubMed så de kan antas vara korrekta. Så ni är ljusår ifrån att komma nånstans med er smutskastning !
High Powered Lasers, 50, 100, 150mw are not really high powered at all and they are regularly used for LLLT. Compared to 5mw modules they may be considered as higher powered.
I consider the lasers I use as ‘HIGHER POWERED LLLT LASERS(above 5mw)’ as compared with ‘LOWER POWERED LLLT LASERS(5mw and below).’
SPECIAL NOTE: THE LASERS USED IN THE BLOWFISH AND THE LASERFISH ARE CLASSIFIED AS CLASS 3A LASERS AS OUTLINED IN THE TESTING PROCEDURE OF THE CDRH. (CLASS 3A: Lasers outputting less than 5mw at a distance of 20cm from the diode to the target with a 7mm test aperture.)
Konftec AM-320A Laser Hood which contains 40, 50mw Modules is also considered a Class 3A product. This is due to the fact that the lasers are lens-less so the Laser light spreads out quickly on exiting the diode. So at 20cm from the diode, the light is so spread out, that it registers less than 5mw/cm squared. Same with the Lazerfish Hair and Scalp Brush and the Blowfish Lazer Helmet.
The Lazerfish ULTRA and the Blowfish use higher powered lllt lasers(dispersed/ no lenses/ non-colimated or whatever you wanna call it) for several reasons:
Point 1. Simplicity of Design. A handful of high powerd lasers are alot easier to wire up than the equivalent number of 5mw modules in my opinion. And the less number of modules means the less chance of lasers burning out especially if the higher powered modules are top grade ones.
This is true when it comes to operating temperature as well. If you have hundreds of lasers crammed together, there is going to be alot of heat and since 5mw modules have a max operating temp of about 40 to 50degrees C, this may lead to laser failure in some cases in some of the modules. Again, all this depends on the quality of the modules.
Whatever laser product you decide to buy and use, make sure it is backed up with a SOLID WARRANTY to replace faulty lasers or fix any other problem so that you don’t find yourself in a position where you paid a crap load of money and find you need to change out lasers on your own. You shouldn’t even attempt to do any repairs on your own. And with regards to the Blowfish and Lazerfish, I totally take care of all of that! No worries!
See the Lazerfish Repair Log Forum:
http://lazerfish.madmooseforum.com/viewforum.php?f=17&sid=2b1338f1d038114e23cdd35b102d879c
Point 2. The reason I like higher powerd lasers is simply this:
If you are a believer that 5mw modules are the best, you just hold the higher powered lasers further from the scalp ( I have measured and calculated the distances using a laser power meter).
And in the case of The Lazerfish Ultra 300 Hair and Scalp Brush, holding the lasers at about 15cm from the scalp brings the power down to about 4.9mw and greatly increases the coverage area.
Using more modules will give you even better coverage and all at the same power output as the 5mw modules.
Now increasing the distance from the lasers to the scalp further will again increase the coverage area and once again decrease the power. You can keep doing this until the lasers are outtputting the power you desire, 5mw, 4mw, 2mw, 1mw. Again I know the distances.(at least with the Lazerfishes by using the best method possible: using a power meter.)
In a high powered handheld, it would be best to mount it onto a Mic Stand that way you don’t get the ‘tired arm syndrome’ which some people find tedious.
Point 3: If you think that high powered modules may give you better results, then use the high powered devices as instructed, holding them about 7cm from your scalp. At this distance the light / power are pretty spread out. 7cm is the recommended distance because it gives you some nice power as well as nice coverage.
You have the best of both worlds.
My opinion from my own results and others who have used high powered lasers, is that they work. They have given me positve results.
MAIN POINT: Again, you can use the Lazerfish Hair and Scalp Brush as a lower powerd lllt 5mw device by just holding it about 15cm from the scalp, or use it as a higher powered lllt device by holding it about 7cm from your scalp.
Again lasers don’t work for everybody. They may work to thicken most peoples hair, but with regards to regrowth/100%stoppage of the progression of MPB, only moderately effective. Some may get better results, some may not.
Combining lasers with other effective treatments is paramount and I wil leave that up to the individual to decide what else they want to use.
For your information lasers from about 1mw to 500mw are used and considered as Low Level lasers for LLLT.
It is noteworthy to mention that a focused 5mw laser is more damaging to the eye then a lens-less 150mw laser. Why? It all has to do with Power Density. In this case the power density of a tightly focused 5mw laser is greater than that of a lens-less 150mw laser when used at a distance of 7cm as directed. And for extra safety, all Lazerfishes come with OD4 Laser Safety Glasses.
Whatever laser device you use, precautions need to be taken.
Common sense things like not looking into the beam for extended periods or not shining the laser into another persons eyes, etc etc… need to be strictly adhered to.
Again Konftec Corporation have handhelds ranging in power from 100 to 450mw using lasers in the 50mw(660nm) and 90mw (780nm)range. They also use 50 and 100mw diodes in their KLAS Product line which can also be used for hairloss. And of course their big Laser Hood, AM320A Unit:
Here is a link to before and after photos of users of The Konftec AM320A Laser Hood.
http://www.swedishhairlasercenter.se/fore-efter-bilder.html
So….the CONCLUSION is this…..Sure if you were shining a tightly focused Higher Powered LLLT laser (50, 100, 150mw) onto your scalp, you would reach Bio-Inhibition quite quickly where the positive effects for the hair would be lost because any laser with a tightly focused beam has a high power density. I strongly recommend AGAINST using focused lasers of any power for treating hairloss.
If you are using lens-less diodes as I and Konftec do, and using them as directed, then you have a good LLLT Unit which should give you moderately positive results.
Below is a point that I mentioned in a Mail to a Customer of mine:
Bioinhibition occurs when the skin is receiving to much laser energy.
The going concensus is that 3 to about 6 Joules of energy per CM squared is the range to shoot for, FOR BIO~STIMULATION.
The Blowfish falls into this range. A 5 to 7 minute treatment will deliver about 2.4 to 3.4 joules of Energy per centimeter squared (3 Joules average). Plenty of Power!
The advantage of the Lazerfish Hair and Scalp Brush is you can use it as a 5mw Device (hold it 15cm from your scalp) or as a high powered device (hold it about 7cm from your scalp).
Now the Blowfish is designed sort of like a Mini Laser Hood using 50mw modules just like the Konftec Laser Hood does and the link to the Swedish site shows some pretty good results. But please look at those photos with a grain of salt, I am pretty sure those guys in those photos are using other things as well, which again I highly advise.
Again, you need to approach LLLT with realistic goals. If you are looking for miracles, you are setting yourself up to be dissppointed. If you are looking for another tool in your fight against MPB, then LLLT is a good tool to have!
I tell everyone that LLLT is no miracle cure. If you are a man with male pattern baldness like 99.9% of men, using LLLT as a stand alone treatment may not be enough to fully stop the progression of hairloss. You need to combine it with other treatments.
Most Laser Clinics use minoxidil and Propecia plus LLLT.
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ONE LAST AND IMPORTANT POINT:
In the past I have criticized other devices but I stopped doing that a long while back and I regretted doing it as well. I also don’t post on Hairloss Forums anymore (sometimes at http://www.baldingforum.com whenever I read a post there not accurately portraying the benefits of LLLT).
Why? Of course because I sell LLLT products. I don’t want it to appear that I am pumpng my products and disrespecting other products.
All the TRUE info about the Lazerfish / Blowfish can be found right here!
So I don’t post or comment on any other LLLT product. So Please don’t ask me my opinion of other handhelds or helmet designs. I respect the hard work that some guys out there have put into making their own LLLT products for sale and I am not going to dissrespect their hard work, even if SOME STILL do it about the Lazerfish and the Blowfish.
It is up to you the customer to thoroughly investigate which product is best for you.
Please keep that in mind while doing your due diligence.
AND PLEASE REMEMBER: USED AS DIRECTED, THE LAZERFISH AND BLOWFISH, JUST LIKE THE KONFTEC PRODUCTS ARE SAFE TO USE AND MODERATELY EFFECTIVE.
Good Luck in your fight against Hairloss!
Mail me with any questions. It’s my sincere pleasure to help you!
